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     Windjunky Wednesday July 5, 2023
    Cowichan lake, Wingfoiling
    This Year: 61
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    Log Started:
    Saturday December 28, 2019
    Total Records: 335
    This Year: 61

    Wednesday July 5, 2023 Cowichan lake, Wingfoiling
     Wednesday July 5, 2023 Conditions TOW Toys Used: Edit/View record
     Cowichan lake, Wingfoiling NW 5 - 12
    flat
    2.00 hours Naish hover wing carbon 95
    cabrinha cross wing 6.0
    axis PNG 1150 1778
    Wind sucked at lake Cowichan this week first time skunked there. Wind was coming mostly from south, a bit hazy. Foiled 2 out of 4 days but barely and with alot of pumping. Waters warm but very disappointing compared to most times I've camped there, of course it was windy all last week and the day we left.
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     Teabag Wednesday July 5, 2023
    Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 6
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    Log Started:
    Thursday November 11, 2010
    Total Records: 343
    This Year: 6

    Wednesday July 5, 2023 Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing WNW 17 - 23
    chop and ramps
    2.50 hours Naish Monarch 138 X 42
    Flysurfer Speed4 12m
    +2.5 hrs 12m. Stronger then yesterday, but not by much. Dreaming of a day where I can be overpower on a 12m at the Nat. Was windy all night and this morning (light) and unfortunately the lake is full of fog right now :( .
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     Nils Wednesday July 5, 2023
    Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday January 3, 2023
    Total Records: 40
    This Year: 0

    Wednesday July 5, 2023 Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing
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     Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing NW 18 - 23
    1-3
    2.00 hours
    Pipers had different plans today compared to the forecast, wind kept building. On the water just after 9 and suprised to be fully powered on the outside. Came in for a quick swap to a smaller board. Later morning the wind shifted in and ramped up. Had some great flat water speed runs on the inside. Another epic pipers day. On the 6.3 for the session.
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     altoning Wednesday July 5, 2023
    Squamish Spit, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 71
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    Log Started:
    Thursday February 21, 2013
    Total Records: 1235
    This Year: 71

    Wednesday July 5, 2023 Squamish Spit, Kitesurfing
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     Squamish Spit, Kitesurfing SW 20 - 24
    smooth
    2.00 hours Firewire Vanguard 5'0"
    Airush Varial 6m
    Day 3 at the Spit. Yet another 6m+surfboard day in silky smooth river SW 20-24. Alton Jr nailed another strapless tack.

    Alton Jr and I are now sporting new harnesses with surf ropes instead of spreader bars ... so much nicer
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     CB Wednesday July 5, 2023
    Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 56
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    Log Started:
    Thursday January 20, 2022
    Total Records: 191
    This Year: 56

    Wednesday July 5, 2023 Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing SSW 15 - 25
    Flat
    4.00 hours North Sky pro 136
    Shinn Sunburner 140
    OR Crave HL 8m
    OR Crave HL 10m
    Cabrinha Hi rise foil 1000cm
    Another beauty day. Started with a foil at 11am but overpowered after about an hour. Spent the balance of the day on the twin tip and had a blast. Hoping for more of the same tomorrow.
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     j_dog Wednesday July 5, 2023
    Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling
    This Year: 53
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    Log Started:
    Monday March 13, 2006
    Total Records: 293
    This Year: 53

    Wednesday July 5, 2023 Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling SSW 21 - 25
    Flatish
    2.50 hours Liquid Force Nubile Board 3'8" 13 lts 110cm
    Slingshot Phantasm 633 Foil 1250cm
    Slingshot Phantasm Mast 92cm
    AIRUSH WAVE 5m
    AIRUSH WAVE 7m
    First time at the lake this year. Great consistent wind, started on the 7m and foil and was way overpowered, switched it up for the 5m and it was the sweet spot. Lots of fun and a decent crowd on the water.
    GPS Track: The Lake 05Jul231:20 PM to 3:47 PM
    Moving Time02:07:48
    Foiling Time 02:00:07
    Distance (km)45.1
    Speed (Max/2s/100m knots)18.7 / 18.6 / 16.4
    Number of Turns 147 (80% Foiling)
    MAX 2023 - 21.5 kt, 147 turns, 94%TOTAL 2023 - 853 km, 47.4 hours
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     Tsawwassen Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Floras Lake, Wingfoiling
    This Year: 44
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    Log Started:
    Wednesday December 19, 2012
    Total Records: 599
    This Year: 44

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Floras Lake, Wingfoiling
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     Floras Lake, Wingfoiling NW 10 - 22
    flat
    2.00 hours KT Wing Drifter 72
    KT Wing Air 3.5
    Sabfoil Kraken Fuse F703K 703 mm
    Sabfoil Kraken Mast 93cm
    Sabfoil 799 1080 cm sq
    Sabfoil 370 Stab
    First time ever sailing Floras Lake. Was kinda fun playing in the fresh water and getting a little break from the rock.
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     dunkinguy Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 11
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    Log Started:
    Sunday January 1, 2006
    Total Records: 225
    This Year: 11

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing N 15 - 25
    Lil swellers
    1.00 hours Simmer Flywave 92
    S2Maui Catalyst 4.6
    A bit of a weird day for wind. Kind of gusty and never really great. Might have been good for the hour the boys and I were cliff jumping. All good. Great getaway.
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     C36 Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Floras Lake, Windsurfing
    This Year: 35
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    Log Started:
    Sunday January 18, 2015
    Total Records: 603
    This Year: 35

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Floras Lake, Windsurfing
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     Floras Lake, Windsurfing NW 4 - 18
    ripples
    1.00 hours Fanatic Freewave 116
    Ezzy Elite 6.1
    Fresh water. NW flow battled the fog at the cape and the fog won. Drove north to Bandon and checked out Face Rock. Strange dumpy wave just south of the launch and light inside wind were a 'no' for three and a 'maybe' for one. Opted for the novelty session at Floras Lake. Halibut dinner at the campo.

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     HiyoSilver Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Florence, Windsurfing
    This Year: 16
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    Log Started:
    Friday June 13, 2014
    Total Records: 309
    This Year: 16

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Florence, Windsurfing
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     Florence, Windsurfing N 23 - 27
    8-12???
    2.00 hours Quatro LS Quad 84
    Naish Force V 4.7
    Thought I'd made the wrong call 4.7 84 but Markus made it work w/ 5,0 so I gave it a go. Wind cooperated and some sweet 12' waves!
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     Teabag Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 6
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    Log Started:
    Thursday November 11, 2010
    Total Records: 343
    This Year: 6

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
     Tuesday July 4, 2023 Conditions TOW Toys Used: Edit/View record
     Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing WNW 16 - 20
    chop and ramps
    3.50 hours Naish Monarch 138 X 42
    Flysurfer Speed4 18m
    +3.5 hrs on newer 18m. Water still way too warm. Very nice lift along the trees, acting like a cliff @ cook st for updraft. Not strong enough to "parakite", for my weight anyway. Today (5th July) should be stronger, tomorrow, Friday even more. Good week to be here.
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     sixlinewrasse Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Locarno Spanish Banks, Wingfoiling
    This Year: 97
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    Log Started:
    Wednesday October 14, 2015
    Total Records: 611
    This Year: 97

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Locarno Spanish Banks, Wingfoiling
     Tuesday July 4, 2023 Conditions TOW Toys Used: Edit/View record
     Locarno Spanish Banks, Wingfoiling NW 13 - 15
    flatish to swell to flat
    1.50 hours KT Hawaii Quatro Drifter Pro 5' 0" , 72 Lts
    North Nova 6M
    North Sonar 75 cm C Fuse
    North Sonar S270 Stab
    North Sonar 1350MA cm2 foil
    North Sonar 85cm C Mast
    Epic fail. Launch 9am and float the board up to the old kitesurfing launch site before getting on foil in stiffening breeze. Upwind leg to the wave energy test site and was riding glassy swell when the wind tanked. Knocked around in the remaining swell for 1 hour, before starting the down wind float/walk of shame on the very low tide. Arrive Locarno around 130, glad I had my hat.
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     KUS Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Florence, Windsurfing
    This Year: 62
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    Log Started:
    Sunday October 17, 2004
    Total Records: 1824
    This Year: 62

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Florence, Windsurfing
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     Florence, Windsurfing NW 18 - 22
    Odd Logo, 5ft, 16out
    2.20 hours
    Happy 4th! Hiho n I got a 5.0/94 US treat, sun (fog cleared), waves w/few solid soldiers 3-7ft easy going guys, odd big mostly happy guys. Had lovely time for most 1.5hrs, then got light, lull/no waterstart way out & I got hot! After such treats to slog 20 waves out only to lose the mother going in pissed me off. Beertime! Lovely wave day! Found last pub serving!! Jambalaya Seafood pasta & Sunny Beach IPA :) fireworks alright!!

    Sail 8-9 wave 9 jump 3
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     CB Tuesday July 4, 2023
    Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling
    This Year: 56
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    Log Started:
    Thursday January 20, 2022
    Total Records: 191
    This Year: 56

    Tuesday July 4, 2023 Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling W 18 - 24
    Calm
    3.00 hours North Sky pro 136
    Shinn Sunburner 140
    OR Crave HL 10m
    OR Crave HL 8m
    Cabrinha Hi rise foil 1000cm
    Used all of the toys today over 3 sessions. Started foiling and ended on the twin tip when the wind came up. Nice to see so many familiar faces at the beach.
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     dunkinguy Monday July 3, 2023
    Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 11
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    Log Started:
    Sunday January 1, 2006
    Total Records: 225
    This Year: 11

    Monday July 3, 2023 Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing NW 27 - 30
    Sweller
    1.50 hours Quattro quad Ls 78
    S2 Maui Catalyst 4.2
    Rested long and hard after yesterdays savagery. Wind kicked in hard around 4 and it was beUtiful swell riding on the 4.2. Unfortunately wing dropped around 5:30 so called it done instead of deriving. So good!
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     HiyoSilver Monday July 3, 2023
    Florence, Windsurfing
    This Year: 16
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    Log Started:
    Friday June 13, 2014
    Total Records: 309
    This Year: 16

    Monday July 3, 2023 Florence, Windsurfing
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     Florence, Windsurfing N 25 - 30
    6-8??? inside
    2.00 hours Quatro LS Quad 84
    Naish Force V 4.7
    Finally , my Oregon cherry coast cherry popped ! Wind seemed way more at p lot than in water. Had to go back for bigger sail. Quite a schlep! Some big walls, some nice waves and only a couple workings :D
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     CB Monday July 3, 2023
    Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling
    This Year: 56
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    Log Started:
    Thursday January 20, 2022
    Total Records: 191
    This Year: 56

    Monday July 3, 2023 Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitefoiling W 15 - 18
    Flat
    1.00 hours Shinn Sunburner 140
    OR Crave HL 8m
    Cabrinha Hi rise foil 1000cm
    First day at the lake. Late arrival meant only got the tail end. Perfect weather- beautiful and warm.
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     C36 Monday July 3, 2023
    Pistol River, Windsurfing
    This Year: 35
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    Log Started:
    Sunday January 18, 2015
    Total Records: 603
    This Year: 35

    Monday July 3, 2023 Pistol River, Windsurfing
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     Pistol River, Windsurfing NW 19 - 28
    big
    1.00 hours Goya Quad Custom 92
    Ezzy Taka 4.5
    Cadillac. Surf/wind checks at south jetty and the cape, then off to the rock. Biggest wind swell of our trip today (so far). There were some big close-out sets rolling through both above and below the rock. The locals were on it early on small-four-somethings. Many experienced and skilled sailors got washed today. Leo got a big cheer from the beach when he squeaked over a clearing set of mackers. Later John said it was like watching a Cadillac roll over some speed humps. Then the wind backed and one cl ... (more)
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     MtnarG Monday July 3, 2023
    China Ck, Wingfoiling
    This Year: 98
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    Log Started:
    Monday August 1, 2022
    Total Records: 291
    This Year: 98

    Monday July 3, 2023 China Ck, Wingfoiling
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     China Ck, Wingfoiling SSW 8 - 15
    Flat
    2.50 hours Quatro 105l
    F-One Strike CWC 8m
    SAB W1100
    SAB S483
    Had a nice light wind morning session on the outflow before it started to get light. Spent the day in the sun watching Bobson rip it up and waiting for the wind to switch. It happened around 4:30 pm. Had another nice light wind session on the inflow.
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     Teabag Monday July 3, 2023
    Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 6
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    Log Started:
    Thursday November 11, 2010
    Total Records: 343
    This Year: 6

    Monday July 3, 2023 Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing WNW 16 - 20
    chop and ramps
    3.00 hours Naish Monarch 138 X 42
    Flysurfer Speed4 18m
    +3 hrs on old 18m. Water extremely hot, wondering why so many people wear the suit, and they dont get hyperthermia. Lots of lift by the trees, high tide in golden hours. Wish water was a bit colder, nice day nonetheless. 15%-40% depower strap on the 18m, was good.
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     Tsawwassen Monday July 3, 2023
    The Rock, Windsurfing
    This Year: 44
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    Log Started:
    Wednesday December 19, 2012
    Total Records: 599
    This Year: 44

    Monday July 3, 2023 The Rock, Windsurfing
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     The Rock, Windsurfing NW 35 - 20
    Large
    2.00 hours Starboard Ultrakode 80
    Goya Guru 4.2
    3 days in a row at The Rock, something is wrong! No waves again at the Cape but they were massive at the rock today. Logo high sets and light on the inside made for some very intense moments. After my first reach I noticed everyone had left the water, I wonder why. I stuck with it but even when I got outside I was still left slogging on my 4.2. Not fun being stuck with no power in-between those walls of water. Still I kept going, a few people joined me, Jens and the Boss, and it started to fill in on the in ... (more)
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     Bobson Monday July 3, 2023
    China Ck, Windfoiling
    This Year: 154
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday July 13, 2004
    Total Records: 922
    This Year: 154

    Monday July 3, 2023 China Ck, Windfoiling
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     China Ck, Windfoiling W 8 - 15
    Flat
    4.80 hours
    Carbon copy of yesterday. 8-12kts outflow on the 7.0m in the morning till 3:30 then 4pm turned inflow and was super gusty and fairly light on the 5.2m. Same gang on the water, MtnarG, Stephane, Fitch, G-Master and 1 still TBD. Okay, what rhymes with high-end cheese and crackers.? Last one on the water tonight trying to get my 100kms'.. just made it before it died. SWEET!!

    BOBSON OUT!!

    Ps. Xoxo
    GPS Track: CC - Day 4 out of 410:35 AM to 6:53 PM
    Moving Time04:31:44
    Foiling Time 03:17:09
    Distance (km)102.8
    Speed (Max/2s/100m knots)22.3 / 22.3 / 22.3
    Number of Turns 206 (81% Foiling)
    MAX 2023 - 23.1 kt, 219 turns, 100%TOTAL 2023 - 4478 km, 183.6 hours
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     DavidM Monday July 3, 2023
    Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing
    This Year: 26
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    Log Started:
    Monday November 23, 2009
    Total Records: 957
    This Year: 26

    Monday July 3, 2023 Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing
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     Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing NW 24 - 27
    3-5'
    2.50 hours JP FSW 111
    Ezzy Tiger 5,5
    Great day at the Pipe. Filled in right to the beach and blew steady all day.
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     Windsurfish Monday July 3, 2023
    Cape Sebastian, OR, Windsurfing
    This Year: 6
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    Log Started:
    Saturday January 22, 2005
    Total Records: 1145
    This Year: 6

    Monday July 3, 2023 Cape Sebastian, OR, Windsurfing
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     Cape Sebastian, OR, Windsurfing N 25 - 37
    2??? with 5-7??? sets of 4
    3.00 hours Tabou Pocket Wave 102L
    Ezzy Elite 5.0
    Light at the rock early, so did the cape session till blowing to hard to water start. Hard to find the swell sets at times, but some fine DTL. Went to the rock to watch people getting cleaned. Good day. New suit is great!
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     KUS Monday July 3, 2023
    Florence, Windsurfing
    This Year: 62
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    Log Started:
    Sunday October 17, 2004
    Total Records: 1824
    This Year: 62

    Monday July 3, 2023 Florence, Windsurfing
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     Florence, Windsurfing NW 21 - 26
    4ft to logo in, mast out
    2.70 hours
    More like the old! Outside almost as yesterday but now breaking often! 2 story walkups, chicken gybed one way outside, I think I pooped a little! Lucky to abort 4.2/85 hopes in fog, 94/5.0 was it in the sun! My fave tho 4.2 was a blast literally. Hiho & I got intimate with more than a few nasty 8-9ft+ soldiers today, holes going out, I got stopped by one, no douchings tho great potential. Scored more mast hi big faces out than logo in

    Sail 10 wave 9 jump 4

    We played & hiked out hard! 2sets of gea ... (more)
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     sixlinewrasse Monday July 3, 2023
    Locarno Spanish Banks, Wingfoiling
    This Year: 97
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    Log Started:
    Wednesday October 14, 2015
    Total Records: 611
    This Year: 97

    Monday July 3, 2023 Locarno Spanish Banks, Wingfoiling
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     Locarno Spanish Banks, Wingfoiling NW 15 - 17
    Flat to swell to waves
    2.30 hours KT Hawaii Quatro Drifter Pro 5,4", 90 Lts.
    F-One Strike CWC 8M
    North Sonar 1650 cm2 foil
    North Sonar 75 cm C Fuse
    North Sonar 85cm C Mast
    The forecast looked stronger than yesterday, but a lull while I was rigging up sapped my confidence and I rigged my big stuff. Mostly overpowered but enabled a closer to the bluffs heading on the trip to the North Arm. Epic waves, but wishing for smaller gear. Nevertheless, stayed longer before heading home to Locarno.
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     uddereef Monday July 3, 2023
    Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing
    This Year: 27
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    Log Started:
    Sunday January 4, 2009
    Total Records: 912
    This Year: 27

    Monday July 3, 2023 Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing
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     Pipers Lgn, Windsurfing NW 23 - 27
    3-5 footers
    2.50 hours Fanatic Freewave 115
    Ezzy Elite 5.0
    The Piper showed up today.swellarama.smoothie delight. Warm and wonderful. Fun debriefing with Gord, Henk and Davidm.
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     Chuck Monday July 3, 2023
    Acadia Beach, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 13
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    Log Started:
    Thursday January 16, 2020
    Total Records: 150
    This Year: 13

    Monday July 3, 2023 Acadia Beach, Kitesurfing
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     Acadia Beach, Kitesurfing NW 15 - 20
    Waves
    3.50 hours Naish Skater 5???2
    Naish Pivot 10m
    Naish BTB 24m lines
    Big Dumpers!

    Great day off the Point, better than expected!

    Rolled in just after 11 with the tide ebbing and a solid 18 knots. Hit the water and enjoyed the next few hours in surprisingly awesome conditions with solid head to shoulder high waves up off Tower Beach for some great rides and big smiles. Regret not bringing the small surfboard! Kept waiting for the wind to wain but it kept going, had to move the bag/pump/accoutrements above the high tide line. Right back out and it even improved as the tide fl ... (more)
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     Windjunky Sunday July 2, 2023
    Ross Bay, Wingfoiling
    This Year: 61
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    Log Started:
    Saturday December 28, 2019
    Total Records: 335
    This Year: 61

    Sunday July 2, 2023 Ross Bay, Wingfoiling
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     Ross Bay, Wingfoiling SW 8 - 12
    1-3 foot swell
    2.00 hours Naish hover wing carbon 95
    cabrinha cross wing 6.0
    axis PNG 1150 1778
    First one there on the afternoon shift. Wasn't enough wind so went out on big gear hoping for some puffs. Slowly got a little better, swell was pretty good and could be used for takeoff. Fun enough.
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     dunkinguy Sunday July 2, 2023
    Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 11
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    Log Started:
    Sunday January 1, 2006
    Total Records: 225
    This Year: 11

    Sunday July 2, 2023 Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nimpkish Lk, Windsurfing NW 27 - 35
    Swellers
    3.50 hours Quattro quad Ls 78
    S2Maui Catalyst 4.6
    Sailed hard upwind the. Down by the river mouth with Ozy. Some good ahi it's and rusty loops. Full throttle wind. Could and should have gone in for 4.2.
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