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     The Gman Friday August 26, 2005
    Rowena, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday May 21, 2005
    Total Records: 36
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 Rowena, Windsurfing
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     Rowena, Windsurfing WNW 18 - 26
    4.00 hours Naish 8'11" 105L
    JP Wave 84L
    Ezzy Wave SE 5.2
    Neil Pryde Search 5.8
    Bit of a slow start. On the water around 1300 on the 5.8. Switched to the 5.2/small board around 1500. Nailed my first duck gybe. Good times.
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     KUS Friday August 26, 2005
    Harrison Riv Tow, Windsurfing
    This Year: 62
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    Log Started:
    Sunday October 17, 2004
    Total Records: 1824
    This Year: 62

    Friday August 26, 2005 Harrison Riv Tow, Windsurfing
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     Harrison Riv Tow, Windsurfing W 12 - 18
    flaaaat
    2.80 hours BIC Blast 62 110L
    Sailworks Retro 6.0
    B & J fin 11-13"
    Nice water, sun, flat sailing sesh. Nailing those heli's, spraying jetskiers who were muddying the few wavelets there were and generally being annoying & stinky. Powerboaters not slowing down aiming at the tails of boards, purposefully gybed right in front of one w/ intention to freak, I succeeded :evil: . Man is it shallow at the Hotel :shock: :shock: , sailed there forever and never knew that. PneumoniaDood7's & Sprogg7's out sailing 8)

    Sail 6 Jump 3 Wave 1 8) 8) 8) Nice sunny day : ... (more)
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     colin Friday August 26, 2005
    Cook Street, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday October 30, 2004
    Total Records: 219
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 Cook Street, Kitesurfing
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     Cook Street, Kitesurfing W 17 - 22
    nice ramps
    1.50 hours underground 142
    airush lift 14
    great late summer kiting, its about time we good a nice wind like that. had a pretty scary run in with tyler but we both came out ok. feels great to be out on the victoria waterfront!!
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     Wingnut Friday August 26, 2005
    Gordons, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday October 5, 2004
    Total Records: 416
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 Gordons, Windsurfing
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     Gordons, Windsurfing WNW 25 - 35
    2-4' swell, chop
    2.00 hours Starboard Acid 77 8'1"
    Ezzy SE Wave 4.0
    Ezzy SE Wave 4.7
    :D Decided to go there early when I saw the pressure gradient shooting upwards - turned out to be a good decision. Could've been on my 4.0 right from the start but I had rigged the 4.7 so I sailed that for 30 min. really powered on the outside and then rigged down. Sailed the 4.0 for the first time and loved it! Sweet handling and surprisingly good low end power. This was def. the windiest Gordo's day for me this year. There was a very strong ebb which kind of messed up the waves but lots of fun anyway. T ... (more)
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     ~ pimp hand ~ Friday August 26, 2005
    Gordons, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday July 24, 2004
    Total Records: 13
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 Gordons, Windsurfing
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     Gordons, Windsurfing W 15 - 25
    1 - 2 ft
    0.50 hours Quatro 100 L 8' 2"
    Gravity Wave 8' 3"
    Neil Pryde Core 5.3
    Venturi Wave 4.7
    got there for 2nd shift and it was going off ... did 1 reach out n' back and it was starting to drop ... had to come in and rig the 5.3 n' grab the big board ... sailed for maybe 20 mins and felt it dropping more so i bailed ... oh well, at least everyone else got served up sum premium gordo's ... not to be for me this day
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     downwind dave Friday August 26, 2005
    Cook Street, Windsurfing
    This Year: 8
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    Log Started:
    Sunday July 18, 2004
    Total Records: 262
    This Year: 8

    Friday August 26, 2005 Cook Street, Windsurfing
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     Cook Street, Windsurfing W 18 - 22
    chop
    1.00 hours Starboard Freesex 97l
    naish outlaw 5.0
    pro-tec red hardhat M
    fun but short session till dark. legs kept cramping up from a big ride earlier with fishy who was out sailing too.
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     winddoctor Friday August 26, 2005
    Gordons, Windsurfing
    This Year: 82
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    Log Started:
    Sunday August 22, 2004
    Total Records: 1320
    This Year: 82

    Friday August 26, 2005 Gordons, Windsurfing
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     Gordons, Windsurfing W 20 - 30
    small chop, swell outside
    2.00 hours Starboard Evo 74 7'6"
    Ezzy Wave SE 4.5
    Got all giddy seeing the Sooke basin all frothy. Arrived at G's to find the boyz (and girlz) flattening their 4.2s and 4.7s. Yeah ! Windiest day at Gordo's for me this year, but small chop. Tried lots of forwards, was tring to summon the nerve to toss more on port. No dice, feeling rusty. Good to feel the stoke again.
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     Kite Kook Friday August 26, 2005
    Cook Street, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday July 13, 2004
    Total Records: 202
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 Cook Street, Kitesurfing
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     Cook Street, Kitesurfing WSW 18 - 28
    chop and 4' waves!
    2.00 hours Ocean Rodeo Bronco 12m
    an awesome time on the water! my favorite thing - going for height :) wind was good, but not spectacular. Some holes in it, but no complaints overall. In fact, it was very lifty, and made it easy to get pretty high.

    The OR 12 with the shorter lines worked really well. Nice to see JL out at Cook, and really cool seeing Ross and Richard out on the new proto OR. That thing looked Smooooth!

    Wind was ok until that final gust came through that may have been 30 knots plus. Enough to teabag me and force me i ... (more)
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     KC7777 Friday August 26, 2005
    Harrison Lake (Rivtow), Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Wednesday July 28, 2004
    Total Records: 257
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 Harrison Lake (Rivtow), Windsurfing
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     Harrison Lake (Rivtow), Windsurfing SW 16 - 24
    flat and some chop
    2.20 hours JP FreeRace (Wood) 142L
    Ezzy SE Wave 6.9
    That 3 week+ cold I had at Nitinat turned into pneumonia...had to miss my Gorge trip with Patches/Gman. Finally feeling a bit better so I went up for an easy sail on big stuff. Per iWindsurf it was hitting 24!!. Rigged the 6.9 flat and loose (8.5 and 6.9 was all I brought) and hung on. That 142L can handle any wind. KUS was there too ripping fast on his 6.0.....saw a couple of helis from him. Water was super warm today. Made sure I kept a constant watch for boats (lots). The wind died around 6:3 ... (more)
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     Joe Friday August 26, 2005
    secret spot, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday July 13, 2004
    Total Records: 340
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 secret spot, Kitesurfing
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     secret spot, Kitesurfing W 10 - 29
    small swell + chop
    2.00 hours Ocean Rodeo Mako 150cm
    Ocean Rodeo Bronco 9M
    Ocean Rodeo Punch-Out bar
    A bit gusty with holes. The Gordon's weather station seems right on the money (lulls of 10 knots to gusts of 29.5 knots). Still lots of fun. Really nice lighting with the sun shining on & through the fog.
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     JL Friday August 26, 2005
    Cook Street, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Thursday July 22, 2004
    Total Records: 999
    This Year: 0

    Friday August 26, 2005 Cook Street, Kitesurfing
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     Cook Street, Kitesurfing W 15 - 28
    3-5' chop
    1.80 hours Ocean Rodeo Mako 150
    Ocean Rodeo Bronco 9 M
    Ocean Rodeo Spinning Bar w./P.-out 50cm
    Tried out the Ocean Rodeo 'secret weapon' http://www.bigwavedave.ca/gallery/displ ... &pos=2kite of the future.....The thing is amazing...The bar is like an accelerater pedal with continually variable transmission.12m=9, 12 & 14 of traditional kites !!..When Richard was flying it in 9 m conditions he was loading it up in the air & it looked more like Para gliding than kiting !!! Paul was a total huck meister on his 12 meter...Suzy was working on her straple ... (more)
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     Patches Thursday August 25, 2005
    Stevenson, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Thursday June 9, 2005
    Total Records: 48
    This Year: 0

    Thursday August 25, 2005 Stevenson, Windsurfing
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     Stevenson, Windsurfing E 20 - 25
    2+
    3.00 hours Starboard Carve 99
    Starboard Carve 80
    Ezzy SE Wave 5.2
    Ezzy SE Wave 5.8
    Dawn Patrol. Hit Stevenson at 0730. Was the second guy on the water. I attempted to hang on to the 5.8/99 but was sent home flying. Grabbed the 80/5.2. Took a while to get everything dialed in but turned out to be a great day considering it was easterly. Gman was too lazy to down size so he flattened out his 5.8 and put the small fin on. G was on fire. Making all his jibes and ripping. Grumpy almost died on my 5.8 and was a little apprehensive to come back out but the wind dropped a bit and he ended up havi ... (more)
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     The Gman Thursday August 25, 2005
    Stevenson, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday May 21, 2005
    Total Records: 36
    This Year: 0

    Thursday August 25, 2005 Stevenson, Windsurfing
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     Stevenson, Windsurfing E 18 - 24
    3.50 hours Naish 8'11" 105L
    Neil Pryde Search 5.8
    Dawn patrol (sort of) easterly ripping. Good times with Grumpy & Patch again with Dad on the camera.
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     KUS Wednesday August 24, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 62
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    Log Started:
    Sunday October 17, 2004
    Total Records: 1824
    This Year: 62

    Wednesday August 24, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing W 13 - 17
    flat
    1.30 hours BIC Blast 62 110L
    Sailworks Retro 6.0
    B & J fin 11-13"
    Gravel shortcut from work in Ucluelet, nothing @China Creek, few runs @Nat, all heli /reg tacks. Holy dust & yellyfish :shock: Wind kinda sucky but warm, great beginner windsurfer wind, steady but mellow. Pumping to avoid occasional slog, relaxed up at Knob Pt only to be becalmed :? Did wobble downwinder w/mast uphauls & left to get more fillings jarred loose,

    Sail 4-5 Jump 3 Wave 2 Some prick rocked my perfect windshield on purpose fishtailing :evil: multicolored 80's Ford pickup, we'll m ... (more)
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     Windsurfish Wednesday August 24, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 6
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    Log Started:
    Saturday January 22, 2005
    Total Records: 1145
    This Year: 6

    Wednesday August 24, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing SW 17 - 21
    Small Chop
    4.50 hours Starboard Carve 111
    Sailworks Retro 7.5
    :o The images showed a clear day, with a marginal fog bank, and with a slight N pressure slope. After a morning at the employment place, a 2 hr drive was rewarded with some excellent light wind sailing. Fully 7.5 for most of the day, although some of the better sailors were undoubtedly out with their 6.2's :wink: . Jibing the 7.5 with a big fin has made progress ~30% success. The 7 body position improved my sailing (thanks MB). A great day, and I might add a great 55th day for TOW this year!!! :) :) ... (more)
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     kitesurferdale Wednesday August 24, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Friday July 16, 2004
    Total Records: 143
    This Year: 0

    Wednesday August 24, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing W 15 - 20
    chop
    1.50 hours Ocean Rodeo Outlaw 142
    Ocean Rodeo Bronco 16m
    Not to bad, a little gusty at the end of the day.
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     mshepard Wednesday August 24, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Wednesday August 24, 2005
    Total Records: 4
    This Year: 0

    Wednesday August 24, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing W 15 - 20
    Nitinat Chop
    3.00 hours
    Well, came out of retirement (over a year since I was on the water) for three great days at Nitinat. Arrived Sunday about 3:30, the wind was just coming up. Went out on a 6.0 perfect. Woke up on Monday, the wind started to blow early. Sailed till I couldn't sail anymore. Only four kites and a handful of windsurfers. Tuesday got out on my 6.0 about noon, sailed until four. Got a bit of a 5.0 session in around 3:00 but it backed off. All in all great to be back at the lake, especially without the crow ... (more)
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     Patches Tuesday August 23, 2005
    The Hatch, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Thursday June 9, 2005
    Total Records: 48
    This Year: 0

    Tuesday August 23, 2005 The Hatch, Windsurfing
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     The Hatch, Windsurfing W 30 - 40
    6+
    3.00 hours Starboard Carve 80
    Ezzy SE Wave 4.2
    1000 we were up and packed. The Mexican was loaded. Youbou Jim (Grumpy) had arrived with his wife the night before. We were now a pack of 4. We hit Windance right away for a weather check. Mosier was a complete white out on the way from Memaloose. Forecasts were calling for 25-35 everywhere. Hit Rowena again but no chance. Big boys coming off the water on 3.2's! :shock: It was meant to be a little weaker to the west so we drove out to the Hatchery. When we arrived it was going off. We over heard some locals ... (more)
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     The Gman Tuesday August 23, 2005
    Hatchery/Rowena, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday May 21, 2005
    Total Records: 36
    This Year: 0

    Tuesday August 23, 2005 Hatchery/Rowena, Windsurfing
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     Hatchery/Rowena, Windsurfing W 25 - 35
    5-6' swell
    4.00 hours JP Wave 84L
    Hatchery with Grumpy & Patch. 4.2 with beauty big swells. Sailed a couple hours there then moved to Rowena for some survival 4.2 overpowered.
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     The Gman Monday August 22, 2005
    Rowena, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday May 21, 2005
    Total Records: 36
    This Year: 0

    Monday August 22, 2005 Rowena, Windsurfing
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     Rowena, Windsurfing WNW 30 - 46
    4.00 hours
    Wow, pretty gnarly gusts. Straight on the water 4.2. Blown off around 5. Sweet all round sailing with patch after his all nighter trek from nitinat.
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     Patches Monday August 22, 2005
    Rowena, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Thursday June 9, 2005
    Total Records: 48
    This Year: 0

    Monday August 22, 2005 Rowena, Windsurfing
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     Rowena, Windsurfing WNW 30 - 46
    4-5
    4.00 hours Starboard Carve 80
    Ezzy SE Wave 4.2
    After hanging out at Nitinat until 1500 I had to pull the plug. Arrived at Duke Point at 1700. Manage to miss the 1745 and the 2015 by six cars. Made the 2245. For some reason we did not arrive at Tsawwassen until 0130. I was through the boarder and on the I-5 by 0230. 2 Red Bulls, 2 Cokes, a coffee and a pack of gum and I was rolling into camp at 0700. I was so tired it was all I could do to set up my tent. The only thing that kept me going was the fact that it was already blowing 30 and I needed to get s ... (more)
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     ~ pimp hand ~ Monday August 22, 2005
    Gordons, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday July 24, 2004
    Total Records: 13
    This Year: 0

    Monday August 22, 2005 Gordons, Windsurfing
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     Gordons, Windsurfing WNW 18 - 23
    1 - 2 ft
    1.50 hours Quatro 100 L 8' 2"
    Neil Pryde Core 5.3
    stole a late session ... saw rocdoc ripping around on the cam and had to go check it out ... nice to step off the beach powered for a change ... fully lit at times ... pushing the quatro - she felt comfy ... makes up for yesterday
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     Bobson Sunday August 21, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 152
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday July 13, 2004
    Total Records: 920
    This Year: 152

    Sunday August 21, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing W 7 - 14
    Choppr
    2.50 hours Starboard Formula Experience 156
    Severne Overdrive 8.5
    Had to leave at 3pm so went out at Noon hoping it would pick up in about 6-7kts of wind....well it did pick up but not until 2pm...aghh!! First planing run after 2 hours of playing on the bigger gear.....Sailed another 40 mins of fun times then came in and packed up and drove the gear trailer home. Nice two days....need more wind!!

    GOOD TIMES!! :D
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     Windsurfish Sunday August 21, 2005
    Nanoose Bay, Windsurfing
    This Year: 6
    Windsurfish

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    Log Started:
    Saturday January 22, 2005
    Total Records: 1145
    This Year: 6

    Sunday August 21, 2005 Nanoose Bay, Windsurfing
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     Nanoose Bay, Windsurfing NW 14 - 18
    Small Swell at Breakwater
    2.50 hours Starboard Go 150
    Sailworks NX4 9.8
    :D A very nice evening formula session. Thanks Bobson for the great long fin. Much better than the stock fin with the 9.8. Very stable winds... Got off the water just before the wind dropped, for a nice meal and some ice wine..... :)
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     mortontoemike Sunday August 21, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday March 12, 2005
    Total Records: 209
    This Year: 0

    Sunday August 21, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Windsurfing SW 12 - 20
    Natchop
    2.50 hours Starboard Carve 121
    North Sails XXX 6.2 m^2
    Arrrrgh! It's 2 am on Sunday morning. There is a big party near the loop. Can't sleep. The bass line in the music(?) is vibrating my tent. I don't mind a good party but do ya have to hoot and holler? AT 4am it finally ends! Sunday am is cloudy with just a few signs of blue sky above. Bobson schlogs for an hour and a half and finally starts planing on his BIG GEAR. At about 2pm Armando and I decide to get out on the water. I schlog for about 3/4 of an hour. Tried a couple of helitacks and crashed ... (more)
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     ~ pimp hand ~ Sunday August 21, 2005
    Gordons, Windsurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday July 24, 2004
    Total Records: 13
    This Year: 0

    Sunday August 21, 2005 Gordons, Windsurfing
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     Gordons, Windsurfing W 10 - 18
    1 - 2 ft
    0.50 hours Quatro 100 L 8' 2"
    Neil Pryde Core 5.3
    this session is hardly worth logging but wtf ... looked good when i arrived around 1:30ish ... shouldn't have wasted my time eating/rigging/safety meeting etc. by the time i launched it was dropping :x had to slog WAY out, once out there all i could do was point like hell because of smokin flood :arrow: gay offering considering the forecast.
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     colin Sunday August 21, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Saturday October 30, 2004
    Total Records: 219
    This Year: 0

    Sunday August 21, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing W 14 - 18
    small chop
    3.00 hours underground 142
    airush lift 14
    slow start to the day but once it picked up there was some fantastic kiting which was to be had.
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     Joe Sunday August 21, 2005
    Gordons, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday July 13, 2004
    Total Records: 340
    This Year: 0

    Sunday August 21, 2005 Gordons, Kitesurfing
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     Gordons, Kitesurfing W 15 - 20
    small chop
    3.00 hours Ocean Rodeo Mako 150cm
    Ocean Rodeo Bronco 12M
    Ocean Rodeo Punch-Out bar
    Lots of company out there today. Sunny and warm. JR was really putting the Ocean Rodeo Diablo to the test! Tough Guy...Tough Kite!
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     more force 4 Sunday August 21, 2005
    Gordons, Windsurfing
    This Year: 37
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday July 13, 2004
    Total Records: 1006
    This Year: 37

    Sunday August 21, 2005 Gordons, Windsurfing
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     Gordons, Windsurfing WNW 15 - 20
    2 ft chop/swell
    2.50 hours Bic Adagio 107
    Ezzy Wave 5.8
    Lighter than expected, OK waaaay out, nice swell& power, but giant sloggs both ways to get there. A couple of puffs near the beach early on. Shoulda rigged the 7.5 would of had more fun, too lazy/hopeful it would build. Birthday sail and last sail for about a month of work :cry:
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     Kite Kook Saturday August 20, 2005
    Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
    This Year: 0
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    Log Started:
    Tuesday July 13, 2004
    Total Records: 202
    This Year: 0

    Saturday August 20, 2005 Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing
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     Nitinat Lk, Kitesurfing SW 15 - 20
    lakelike
    2.00 hours Grant Macpherson Custom One of a kind 149
    Ocean Rodeo Bronco 12m
    final day, and another 2 hours on the water. don't remember much at this point, other than that. not trying many moves other than toeside transiotion... :?
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