is the shape of a board important or just the number of fins? I mention this because i can't recall way back in 06 anyone saying "hey get a Quatro, it has a single fin just like my Starboard". yet when it comes to quads we seem to be saying this. yeah i tried a quad, it was awesome, go get one. btw not pointing fingers, im as guilty as anybody.

Well the double concave single V of the Quatro no doubt plays just as much of a role in terms of planing as the fins do in turning. Likewise the short length is also probably important, so it is a combination of shape and fins, it's just easier to spot more fins, so that is probably why we talk more about it.

downwind dave wrote:is the shape of a board important or just the number of fins?

I would say that the key shape variables (volume distribution (length, width, thickness) , rocker) all trump number of fins in terms of influencing the board's performance. Get those dialed and then worry about the secondary influences such as bottom shape, rail shape and number / arrangement of fins. My previous comment had an implicit qualifier of 'all other things being more or less equal'.

KC7777 wrote:Was talking to Windance today.....they are already sold out of some sizes of the Goya Quad. And Goya is sold out of Quads too so no more Goyas for this year.

Must be a lot of people out there buying Quads!

I called Maui to see about availability and Quatro just received another 100 sticks, they work closely with Goya so they might have more in too

Hey,

Not that anyone cares anymore....but I decided to adjust the board buying parameters here.....I decided that any 2010/2011 quads would be overpriced and I would not get the full effect out of them being a newbie wave sailor. And I decided I would likely want to push on a single fin to better get out in the direct onshore winds at Hornby Island. Plus I may want to bump and jump on this board in high winds at Nitinat.

I also decided that I would keep my budget limit to the equivalent if approx. $1,000 pre-tax, ideally for a 1 or 2 yr old new board. I also decided I was looking for a faster (flatter rocker for a wave shape), single-fin wave board, good in onshore and ideally from either of: JP, Fanatic or Starboard (brands I have owned previously).

I was down surfing in Westport, WA doing some SUPing and when the waves crapped out I jetted to the Gorge for Tuesday/Wednesday to do some shopping.

At the Gorge I narrowed my choice down to a new 2009 Starboard Evo 80L (approx. $900 including a new Dakine bag) and a new 2010 JP Wave 83L (just over $1,000 also including a free bag). Putting them side by side the Starboard Evo looked very wide in the tail, so I went for the JP Wave in the 83L. I actually got the JP board just as Big Winds was putting it into their rental fleet - so got an awesome price with the free bag included.

I just saw Shaggy's pics at Tofino when I got back - I think he is on the 83L JP Real World Wave which is the 2010 JP Wave's predecessor.

Actually the real reason I bought it is it is 7'7" in length and I am partial to "7's" - ha!

Any thoughts/comments appreciated.

PS - also bought the Peter Hart and Jem Hall learn to wave sail DVDs.

Info on the 2010 JP Wave per the 2010 JP Australia website:

The 2010 JP Wave replaces the very popular Real World Waves. When first introduced they were targeted as an alternative to the narrow radical down the line boards to cover less than ideal conditions. Over the years we’ve managed to create boards which cover almost all conditions, offering a direct rail to rail wave riding feel without compromising the need for low end and onshore performance.

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The new wider, more rounded nose makes it much easier to position the board in the bottom turn and hold it through even the toughest chop, carrying all the speed and drive towards the lip where it delivers exceptional power in the top turn from even the softest of waves. This supports a faster cut back due to the extra surface area to push the board back off the lip. A slightly reduced rocker has improved the acceleration and allows the rider to stay as close as possible to the critical section of the wave. You do not waste valuable meters heading downwind in an effort to maintain speed in onshore conditions, you can crank it around turning back into the section right away. Reduced tail width delivers good wave riding ability despite the reduced rocker. The sailor can carve and smack the board around staying as close to the critical section as possible the whole time, ultimately generating more turns on every wave. For a more comfortable ride in chop and extra control on bottom turns we introduced a double concave bottom shape pushing the wider Wave line to a new level of comfort and control.
A slightly wider stance helps the rider to vary his sailing style from either front or back foot wherever needed. Changing the turning radius and maintaining speed is easier than ever. Phil Horrocks, World Cupper and Werner Gniglers test partner, calls them his favorite boards for onshore conditions.

SUMMARY
They are the complete package. They deliver a good performance in all possible conditions especially including less than ideal onshore conditions. This is also the reason why one of those boards is in every team rider’s quiver for difficult conditions. Within JP they are the best onshore wave boards.

KC7777 wrote:Not that anyone cares anymore....but I decided to adjust the buying parameters here.....I decided that any 2011 quads would be overpriced and I would not get the full effect out of them being a newbie. And I decided I likely want to push on a single fin to get out in the onshore winds at Hornby. Plus I want to bump and jump on this board in higher winds at Nitinat.
I also decided that I would keep my budget limit to approx. $1,000 pre-tax, ideally for a 1 or 2 yr old new board.
At the Gorge I narrowed my choice down to a 2009 Starboard Evo 80L ($999 with bag) and a 2010 JP Wave. Putting them side by side the Starboard Evo looked pretty wide in the tail, so I went for the JP Wave in the 83L.
I just saw Shaggy's pics at Tofino - he is on the 83L JP Real World Wave which is this board's predecessor.
Actually the real reason I bought it is it is 7'7" in length and I am partial to "7's".

nice looking board, tho I would not buy boards based on their "7"s or in my case their "4"'s or based on Pete making it work in stamp-collecting-on-the-beach winds at LB, there's a reason I refer to him as stickman, highly skilled and little weight great strength ratio there.... not sure if this pure wave unit is the board for the Nat, "higher winds" or not, or onshore winds awaiting first reports

Hi Kus,

This is not JP's pure wave board, but their "real world" wave board with a new name (JP Wave) that makes it sound like it is a pure wave board. There are supposedly pretty fast for a "wave" board with flatter rocker so it should be good at Nitinat on 4.5 and 5.0. Just thought I should get a wave board and before I get really old. And this one seemed to be not that radical compared to some. Quads can come later after the hoopla has dided down.

Probably won't get out on it for a while but will let you know how it goes.

PM'd you about the fins too.

Keith

Looks sweet, rip it up!

Great find!

I'm betting it gets going very early for you and will make a great 5.0 board even for Nitinat at your weight. Looking forward to your reports!

Love the graphics. JP always has great graphics. See you at Nitinat, Nimpkish, etc. this summer Keith. I'll be on my old gear again this year. New car ...